Faith & Reason Ministries

Faith & Reason Ministries We meet at 10:30 AM Sunday mornings, with a meal and times of worship & teaching as was done in Act chapter 2. We hold Bible studies throughout the week.

We encourage authentic questions and discussion. The earliest Christians met in homes, ate together, worshipped together, and devoted themselves to learning God’s Truth. Acts 2:42
At Faith & Reason Ministries, we meet together, eat together, worship together, and devote ourselves to learning the Truth about God and the Bible, His Word. We encourage discussion and honest questions. We are just regu

lar folks worshipping an amazing God. Think of us as a little bit retro. Like 33AD retro. Join us for breakfast & worship. On Sundays we normally begin with a potluck breakfast, announcements, a time of prayer and worship, followed by the reading of Scripture. Typically there will be additional prayer and worship, followed by the teaching and then concluding with worship. We regularly include communion and baptism. Children’s activities normally occur at the same time as the adult activities. The children will on occasion join the adults for the first prayer and worship time before moving to their own area. They will then have prayer and a Bible lesson followed with fun activities. The children often rejoin the adults at times of communion or baptism.

09/05/2026

Please join us tomorrow, Sepbember 6, as pastor James continues our study going through the book of Ecclesiates. We will be looking at chapter 10 and part of chapter 11.

As always, breakfast will be at 9:45 A.M., the service will start at 10:30 A.M., and the live stream of the sermon will begin at 11:00 A.M.

See you there!

09/04/2026

Thought for Today, September 4, 2026
The NAR: Teaching about a Spirit of Religion: Part 3

What is Wagner teaching? Do we really understand the ramifications of his claims about the demonic corporate spirit of religion? In the previous post we quoted several of his assertions regarding spirit. What are the implications? Where do his teachings come from?

First, any Christian leader who raises questions about the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is an “unanointed leader,” in short, a leader not ordained by God. Since that leader is one not placed by God, why pay attention to that leader? After all, if God did not place that leader, one can infer who did.

Second, that leader is under demonic influence. While Wagner focuses on a corporate religious spirit, he also mentions a personal religious spirit. Both Pierce and Wagner insist that the spirit of religion must be cast out. For the individual spirit a deliverance ministry is required for its removal, while the corporate spirit must be cast out by those who have spiritual authority over the group.

Does corporate deliverance require an NAR prophet or apostle? So it would seem. It is also worth noting that the NAR strongly emphasizes personal deliverance ministries. Once more, we see a huge red flag regarding the NAR. Even people raising honest concerns about false teaching, missteps or anything else, are defined as being unanointed, under demonic influence, and therefore they can be ignored.

Third, there’s his statement about the corporate spirit of religion being a high-level principality, perhaps the same level as Wormwood. Has Wormwood historically been biblically understood to be a high-ranking demonic principality? No. “Wormwood” appears numerous times in Scripture. Based on the language of only two verses, Revelation 8:10–11, it is possible to infer something along the lines of Wagner’s claims. But even then, it doesn’t really fit the overall context of what transpires in the passage. Even in key demonologies from the Middle Ages, Wormwood is absent. Wormwood is not listed as a demon. Also, occultists have never regarded wormwood as a literal demon. Rather, they treat wormwood as a highly valuable potent plant, with all sorts of metaphysical properties.

Who does teach that Wormwood is a high-ranking demon? Advocates come from various neo-charismatic groups that arose during the 1980s–1990s, groups that formulated strategic spiritual warfare principles and also created a detailed hierarchy of demonic principalities and powers. Both concepts arose at the same time that the NAR was forming. Both are central teachings of the NAR.

It has also been taught in a few video games and comic books since the 1990s. Of course, C.S. Lewis had used Wormwood as a name for a junior level demon in his “Screwtape Letters,” a fictional work, published in 1942. But at no point did Lewis claim that “Wormwood” was a name for a literal demon.

Getting back to our central topic, Wagner cements the NAR’s position about the “spirit of religion,” stating, page 19: “The corporate spirit of religion manipulates leaders into opposing God’s plan for new times and seasons.”

He goes on to cite Peter’s telling Jesus that He should not be crucified as an example of that spirit’s work. But was that “spirit” behind Peter’s rebuke? Rather, based on Jesus’s response, wasn’t Satan, himself, behind it? That is clear. Jesus’s rebuke didn’t focus on a demon, but on Satan.

Even so, does Jesus’s rebuke apply to the concerns being raised about the NAR? Rather, aren’t those concerns based on what Scripture directly states, the way the NAR often misuses Scripture, and the way they elevate their own prophetic words above Scripture?

Note Wagner’s code term “new times and seasons,” the new season now arising in the Second Apostolic Age, the New Apostolic Reformation, as Wagner calls it. He states again that leaders who oppose the new move are under demonic influence; they are being manipulated by the “corporate spirit of religion.”

Collectively, given his statements, why take Wagner’s teachings so seriously? Yes, he was a missionary and then a professor at Fuller Seminary. Sadly, much of what he taught doesn’t come from Scripture (worse examples will follow), but from his own speculations. That raises questions about the NAR’s underlying foundations.

Wagner is not the only NAR writer making these types of claims about NAR opponents, as we will see in the next post.

09/02/2026

Thought for Today, September 2, 2026
The NAR: Teaching about a Spirit of Religion: Part 2

According to the NAR, how does the “corporate spirit of religion” stir up opposition to the “new move of God” found in the NAR?

In the previous post we noted that a compilation of NAR essays, “Freedom from the Religious Spirit” (Regal, 2005) provides the details about this spirit. We also found that C. Peter Wagner admitted the teachings had to be based on new “revelation” since only inferences can be made from Scripture, as Scripture says nothing directly.

Where things get truly unfortunate is in the ways that Wagner describes how this spirit supposedly works.

First, he proclaims (page 16): “The change from an old wineskin to a new wineskin, such as the New Apostolic Reformation, always meets powerful resistance…. The opposition to God’s new changes always comes from the unanointed leaders of the old wineskin.”

He then makes the astounding statement (page 18): “The corporate spirit of religion is a high-level demon. It is probably on the level of some other principalities that are named in Scripture, such as Wormwood…”

He continues, pages 18–19: “The corporate spirit of religion invades groups of people, not individuals. Spirits that invade individuals, such as a spirit of rejection… or a personal religious spirit, all need to be cast out of its victims through deliverance ministry. Instead, the assignment of the corporate spirit of religion is collective. It casts a spell over the leaders of whole segments of God’s people…. The spell, which is a form of curse, needs to be renounced and broken through the blood of Jesus by he [sic] spiritual authorities over the group.

Note that for Wagner both an individual and corporate spirit of religion exist.

Consider reading through those quotes again. Do we realize what Wagner is saying? We will examine his quotes in the next post. As we will see, his claims mean that any Christian leader who even raises concerns or questions about what the NAR teaches or does can be completely ignored.**

**I would have preferred to examine those quotes here, but the post would have been far too long.

08/31/2026

Thought for Today, August 31, 2026
The NAR: Teaching about a Spirit of Religion: Part 1

Why is the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) so closed off to the valid concerns of others? Sadly, they see their Christian opponents as being influenced by a demonic spirit: the “spirit of religion,” or “corporate spirit of religion.”

While numerous people were involved in the rise of the NAR, three are particularly prominent founders: Bill Hamon, C. Peter Wagner, and Ché Ahn. Both Bill Hamon and C. Peter Wagner have written extensively. Their teachings form the basis of, and permeate, the (NAR).

Where did the teachings about the demonic “spirit of religion” come from? Does one find such a spirit mentioned in Scripture? No, although NAR authors infer it in a couple spots. Does one find teachings about it arising at the time of the Reformation? Given the Roman Catholic religious resistance to, and persecution of, the Reformation, one might think such teachings would arise at that point. But again, the answer is, no (the Pope was often seen as the Antichrist, but there is no mention of that spirit).

Teachings about a demonic spirit of religion only surface in the 1970s within the charismatic movement. Those teachings crystalize in the 1980s–1990s, a time that coincides with the rise of the NAR. That is telling. A compilation by NAR authors, “Freedom from the Religious Spirit” (Regal, 2005) goes into detail about this spirit.

Chuck Pierce, in the introduction notes (page 8): “This religious spirit is not just an attitude of religiosity. It is actually an evil spirit that must be resisted, bound and cast out.”

C. Peter Wagner, in the key essay “The Corporate Spirit of Religion,” provides most of the detailed information about this spirit.

He states that new revelation is needed, due to the lack of information within Scripture (page 12): “Because of this shortage of explicit biblical information on the spirit of religion, we must depend, more than with some other subjects, on seeking God’s fresh revelation…. God will supernaturally show us the direction we need to take.”

In essence, anything about this supposed spirit is based on new revelatory information, since Scripture never names that spirit. One would think that since Scripture tells us nothing, that would be the end of the matter, since anything we “hear in the spirit” cannot be checked or verified by Scripture.

Sadly, while NAR leaders insist prophetic words must be verified by Scripture, that is all too often not the case. New “prophetic words” have priority, as is evidenced here.

Wagner adds (page 12): “The spirit of religion is an agent of Satan assigned to prevent change and to maintain the status quo by using religious devices.” He goes on to speculate—this is of course taken to be “Gospel truth” (page 13): “Let’s imagine that Satan’s kingdom has something like a Luciferian Department of Religion and that there are two major divisions of that department: the Division of Non-Christian Religions and the Division of Christendom.”

Wagner further suggests, page 14, that the goals of the “Christendom" division would relate to both salvation and fullness. They’d promote false types of salvation, but also seek to keep Christians from being baptized in the Holy Spirit, thereby not receiving the fullness of the charismatic spiritual gifts.

By extension, the goal of this spirit is to keep people away from the NAR. Wagner states (page 15): “Understanding the corporate spirit of religion is extremely important because we now live in the Second Apostolic Age (which I date as beginning in 2001) and we are currently witnessing the most radical change in the way of doing church since the Protestant Reformation. That is why I like to call what we are seeing the New Apostolic Reformation.

Thus, the “spirit of religion” or “corporate spirit of religion” seeks to stir up resistance against the NAR, this new “Reformation,” as Wagner calls it (note the term was coined by its founders). We will look at how the spirit operates in the next post.

08/30/2026

Please join us tomorrow, August 30, as pastor James continues our series in Ecclesiastes, looking at chapters 8 and 9.

As always, breakfast will be at 9:45 A.M., the service will start at 10:30 A.M., and the live stream of the sermon will begin at 11:00 A.M.

See you there!

08/28/2026

Thought for Today, August 28, 2026
Revisiting the NAR: Part 3

Prophetic decrees. According to the NAR, what “we,” what “I” decree, brings about God’s plans for the earth. God will not move apart from our pronouncements, our declarations. Jesus can’t even return to earth until after we’ve put everything in place.

Such a view is dangerous. God is no longer sovereign. God is dependent upon what “I” do. By my actions or inactions, I can either bring about or thwart God’s intentions and plans. Sheets, at one point in his book even states that due to Christians’ unfaithfulness to God’s intentions, millions of people have been eternally lost. It is worth remembering that open theism is a core concept within the NAR (more on this in a later post), that God doesn’t know what is going to happen, having ceded results to as-of-yet unknown human decisions.

Consider the following statement he tells us to declare (page 13): “We decree that we are made like our Father and nothing is impossible with God!” As Sheets goes on to explain it, since God’s seed is in us (that is biblically true), we are therefore, at least in many ways, like God. That is dangerously close to one of Satan’s five “I wills”: his intent to be like the Most High, to be like God. Sheets doesn’t directly state, “We have been made into little gods,” but the decree is unclear, ambiguous. Our we made in the image of God? Biblically, yes. But that does not mean we are in the same category as God. We will see in later posts where that teaching comes from and how it entered the NAR.

It is not as though every decree Sheets gives is false. Sometimes the decree states what Scripture directly says. Praying Scripture is a valuable practice. We truly do need to pray, and believe, Scripture. But as is painfully evident from the above quotes, “we” are at the center of things, not God.

Do we really want to go in that direction? Do we really want to insist that the NAR “prophets” are truly being biblically prophetic? I’m reminded once more of the NAR’s focus on signs and wonders, the way their authors tout all the prophecies they’ve given and received, of the wondrous works they’ve done. Is that really to be our focus? Being thankful to God for what He has done through us? Certainly. But, focusing on the “I” of what has been done, that what “I” decree determines things? No! Rather, we are told to walk humbly with our God (see Micah 6:8).

Does God work through His people. Yes. But it is God working. As Ephesians 2:10 describes it, we are doing the works God has prepared for us to do. It is all about God, not us.

Sadly, to even dare raise a question or concern about NAR leaders and their teachings results in being labeled by them as one who causes division, sometimes even as being a persecutor, and being used as a tool of Satan. One cannot question their pronouncements, of their being true prophets and apostles of God. That in and of itself should be a huge red flag.

One of the ways God judges a nation is to send that nation many false teachers and false prophets, those that accelerate that nation’s destruction. They give “prophetic” words that tell people in that nation what they want to hear. The NAR’s message is indeed seductive: “I” will bring about Christ’s return and God’s kingdom. My decrees are at the center of prophetic events. God has ordained that “I” live in prosperity: spiritual, physical, and financial. Sadly both the “progressive” church, by teaching that all sorts of sin is ok, and the NAR, by elevating humans to a near god-like level and placing them at the center of all prophetic events, do this.

Sheets speaks of a “billion people harvest” as one of the results of all these decrees, as well as the defeat of those arrayed against God. Sadly, God’s love for those caught in the web of cultural lies and false philosophies, His love for those stuck in Satanically inspired life-choices is almost nowhere to be found. It is all “big picture” theory.

The true good news, the real Gospel, that while we were dead in our sins Christ died for us, that through placing faith in Him, that through His death on the cross for our sins we could be forgiven, is not to be found. The whole book is about issuing decrees to facilitate the church’s victory over the forces of darkness and over those who follow that darkness.

Oh that the NAR’s leaders would humbly repent! What good things might happen if they did? Unfortunately, as we will see in the next few posts, the NAR’s leaders are not open to criticism or corrective concerns, especially from those outside the movement. Rather, according to the NAR, those who raise concerns have an evil spirit of religion operating in their lives. We will start to explore what they call “a spirit of religion” in the next post.

08/26/2026

Thought for Today, August 26, 2026
Revisiting the NAR: Part 2

Self-worship. One of the saddest things about the NAR is the high degree of self-worship being taught by key leaders, a self-worship well disguised as a form of spiritual authority and “godly” prophetic intercession, particularly when it comes to taking over the seven mountains of influence.

Per the NAR’s teachings, how is God’s will brought about? How do Christians take control of those mountains? Does it happen through praying to God, asking Him to move, through our humbly submitting to and walking with Him? Doe it come about through confessing our complete and utter dependence upon Him, asking the Holy Spirit to guide and direct our steps?

Sadly, for the NAR, the answer is, “No.” Rather it comes through our issuing prophetic decrees. Per their teachings, what “I” decree brings about God’s will and purpose. God cannot move apart from what “we” declare, our words spoken in faith. What “I” do is at the center. In the previous post we saw some of the ways the NAR twists “the seven mountains,” how the real goal for Christians isn’t seeing people come to faith in Christ, but to take control of the seven mountains of influence (by doing so, some will be saved).

On a practical level, how do Christians go about taking control of those seven mountains? NAR authors have written numerous books on that topic. They tell us that what “we” or “I” prophetically decree will enable seizing control of those mountains. Since what “we” say brings about God’s desired change, we first need to know what the NAR prophets tell us to declare, and then to follow their lead. Some even go so far as to say that prayer by itself is ineffective; it is one’s decrees that activate one’s prayers, that bring about real change. “I” activate prayer. Really? Rather, doesn’t the Holy Spirit graciously lead us in, and then God responds to our requests (with yes, no, or not yet)?

Reading through some of their suggested decrees is truly frightening. Even worse, the underlying theology of the NAR indicates that God will not move unless we declare and decree a thing. Here are some of the decrees from a book by a leading NAR author, Tim Sheets, “Healing Decrees that Activate Angel Armies”:

“We decree the release of healing rains right now” (page 7). “We decree our faith is rising and we receive a fresh outpouring of divine healing” (page 17). “We declare a new Pentecost is anointing us for supernatural acceleration” (page 68)! “We declare our persistent faith is making way for miraculous open doors” (page 75). “We decree we are partnering with Holy Spirit and His releasing of the mighty ones. We welcome it.” (page 115). “We decree it is time for a glory surge” (page 121). “We decree the supernatural enforcers will enforce Your Word in our lives” (page 128). “We decree our words will disciple nations” (page 138).

Don’t some of these decrees sound like NAR code language? Biblically, what do they even mean? For example, “supernatural enforces” is a reference to angels. As for “our words,” that is how nations will be brought under God’s control, how the seven mountains of influence will be taken. Think about it: “We decree our words.” Isn’t that the height of arrogance, implying that God must do what we say?

As we will see in the next post, the NAR’s decrees can be even more extreme.

08/24/2026

Thought for Today, August 24, 2026
Revisiting the NAR: Part 1

Are the problems within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that we’ve discussed, real? Sadly, yes. But, what might happen if NAR leaders would repent? After all, biblically speaking, there aren’t that many things that we absolutely must agree about.

Part of the problem, as we will see in some of the following quotes, is that given how much of their writing is profoundly dismissive of, and at times outright hostile to, current non-NAR churches and church leaders, as well as those still worshipping in what they consider now outdated historical churches, coming along beside them seems impossible, at least under current circumstances. As we will see in future posts, they have provided themselves with a built-in system to deflect any and all criticism.

Yet there is one concept popularized within the NAR, that is something to take note of and even heed: the concept of the seven mountains of influence. At its core, but specifically only in its original concept, it has merit. Due to the NAR’s extreme views (to be covered in subsequent posts) about the seven mountains, we all too easily dismiss the concept.

The idea of the seven mountains of influence traces to a meeting between Bill Bright of Campus Crusade for Christ, and Loren Cunningham, of Youth with a Mission, two stellar Christian leaders, back in the mid-1970s. In prayer, prior to the meeting, the Holy Spirit revealed to both men the same thing: there were seven main areas of influence where godly impact was needed. These seven areas were (and are): government, education, media, arts and entertainment (including sports), education, business (including science and technology), and the church. Thus, the core idea of the seven mountains arises prior to the birth of the New Apostolic Reformation. That is the key.

As Christians, we do need to be actively involved in each of these areas. One of the things that the NAR tends to forget/neglect is that the Protestant Reformation brought about what became known as “the Protestant work ethic.” Unlike the situation under Roman Catholicism of the Middle Ages, all work was considered honorable. All work meant all work, not just those working inside the Church as was generally the case under Roman Catholicism. Regrettably, over the centuries that followed, that concept was often lost, and in our current secular culture even the idea of work is now largely absent.

Unfortunately, the NAR has twisted the original seven mountain concept, even supplanting the biblical gospel with a “seven mountain mandate.” Consider the most prolific writer on the seven mountains, the NAR recognized prophet Johnny Enlow. In his various writings, he states that “the salvation gospel” is incomplete, even of secondary importance, if that. Rather, bringing God’s kingdom to, and becoming the primary influencers of, those seven mountains is the true goal (the start of 1 Corinthians 15 says something quite different).

Worse, in his book “The Seven Mountain Renaissance,” page 61, he goes on to state, “Calvinism laid the foundation, through the doctrine of predestination, for blacks, Indians, and women to essentially be considered disposable.” He does admit to being 100% in the “freewill” camp, and as we saw a long time back, some in the 100% freewill camp consider Calvinism to be another gospel and therefore outright heresy (note: I’m not a Calvinist, but neither am I 100% free-will).

The difficulty with these types of outlandish false statements is that it causes one to reflexively reject core concepts that have genuine merit. Enlow also equates the Puritans to Islamic terrorists, due to Puritan excesses. There were Puritan excesses, but to compare the two is utterly astounding. In the end all it does is show Enlow’s own extremism.

None of this is biblically helpful. The NAR insists that unity must be achieved within the Church, albeit unity that is only possible under NAR headship. With these sorts of incendiary remarks, all that will result is increased rancor and division, particularly when key “prophets” are making these sorts of outlandish statements.

Consider God’s warning in 1 John 4:20 (NAU): “If someone says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.”

Oh, that there would be true repentance within the NAR! As we will see in the next post, there are serious problems with how the NAR deals with the seven mountain mandate.

08/23/2026

As we announced last week after the sermon, there will be no service at Faith & Reason Ministries, tomorrow, August 23.

Our normal service will resume, the following Sunday, August 30, with pastor James continuing our study in Ecclesiastes,, looking at chapters 8 & 9.

Have a great day tomorrow!

08/21/2026

Thought for Today, August 21, 2026
John Mark Comer” Practicing the Way? Part 8

Comer’s combining Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox theological and mystical thought leads him to some dangerous beliefs. We’ve already seen his disdain for forms of Western Christianity that are based first and foremost on Scripture (and even aspects of Roman Catholicism). We’ve seen him remark how serious Scripture reading hasn’t had a great track record regarding spiritual formation. It is therefore not surprising that he embraces a paradigm that often reflects Eastern Orthodoxy and “Christian” mysticism.

He states, page 23: “Jesus didn’t go around beating up on self-effort. As the saying goes, ‘Grace is not opposed to effort, it is opposed to earning.’ Don’t conflate the two.” The quote is from Dallas Willard. What we see is that self-effort is somehow involved in the process of our salvation. His attempt at clarifying through “earning” is not convincing.

Comer adds, page 76: “Formation isn’t a Christianized version of project self; it’s a process of salvation. Of being saved by Jesus.” Once again, we see that while we are saved by Jesus, it is a process of salvation at least in part through our formative efforts. Is Comer possibly confusing or conflating “salvation” with “sanctification”? It doesn’t appear so, since he rejects what he called “the forensic view” (an oversimplification by Comer). Still, it isn’t totally clear.

Note how Comer views sin, page 93: “To that end, one paradigm that I find especially helpful for spiritual formation purposes is the idea of sin as a kind of disease of the soul and salvation as the healing of the whole person. As the Christian psychologist and expert on trauma Dan Allender put it, ‘We seldom see sin, at first sight, as what it truly is—ill and deforming.’”

Is sin just a “disease of the soul”? Is sin just deforming? One can certainly make a strong biblical case that sin deforms. But is that it? What is missing is the stark reality that, prior to salvation through Christ, sin was my core identity. I was a sinner. As Ephesians 2 puts it, I was dead in my trespasses and sin. The good news is that through Christ, through Christ’s death on the cross, through His taking my place, I am a new creature in Christ. He took on my sin, I took on His righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:17–21). Talk about a great thing to contemplate!

Comer embraces silence, but to a far greater degree than Scripture commands (see Habakkuk 2:20), page 183, quoting the mystic Isaac the Syrian, “‘Speech is the organ of the present world. Silence is the mystery of the world to come.’ In silence we enter the mystery of the world to come—and into God himself.”

Does the book of Revelation describe the world to come as a world of silence? Not hardly! Rather, doesn’t the “mystery… into God himself,” sound more like Eastern mysticism, a New Age ideal?

We also see Comer adopting a dangerously universalist somewhat Eastern Orthodox view, page 149: “He is near me in everything that I see and touch, in everyone whom I encounter.” He, meaning God, is “in everyone whom I encounter.” That is not unlike a type of panentheism. Once again, we’re talking Eastern mysticism/New Age beliefs, not biblical Christianity.

Many more examples could be given. For Comer, any activity, include exercise and walking one’s dog could be a spiritual practice or discipline. Whatever works for a person is fine. He even paints Saint Benedict and his Rule in a similar flexible light. Benedict’s rule states something quite different. Page 51 of the edition I have states that a monk is allowed no individual rights or desires. The monk must not even question the abbot about any of his decisions. So much for Comer’s portrait.

It is easy to understand why Comer’s book is so popular. You can set your own spiritual practices. It is best to base them on historical practices, but that isn’t essential. Does one have to become a Christian to follow Jesus? Maybe, probably.

Is the book worth placing on one’s reading list? No. Although it does make some good points about spiritual formation, it contains so much outright biblical error, so many questionable assertions, and so many omissions, that overall, it isn’t biblically helpful, and there is a real possibility that the book will draw people away from core Biblical truth.

Rather than going to Christian mystics for our practices and beliefs, aren’t we far better off looking to Scripture? Of course mystics will tickle our ears in ways that Scripture does not. After all, God uses Scripture to convict us of our sin. Mystics, even “Christian” ones, often tell us what we want to hear. So does Comer. But Scripture is our safeguard, our best source for knowing God, our best defense from swallowing error, the best thing for us to contemplate.

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