06/05/2026
I need your help!
I am working on my third book with its working title of "Sovereign Story." In it I will deal with the Calvinist doctrines of Unconditional Election, Total Depravity, and Irrestible Grace.
I have created a conversation between "Reformed Robert" and "Non-Reformed Nick" dealing with one aspect of the doctrine of election. I have posted their conversation below.
Please provide any comments about their conversation. Have I misrepresented either side? Please note: I am NOT looking for, "Way to go, Jonathan, you really put them in their place!" Nor am I looking for, "You idiot, you just don't understand Calvinism." Please refrain from unhelpful rhetoric.
At the end of the conversation, I ask a question. Please provide a suggestion on where the conversation should go from that point.
Thanks so much!
Nick – Hi Robert, it’s good to see you and spend time with you today, my brother!
Robert – Good to see you also, Nick.
Nick – “Can we pray and ask our Lord to bless this conversation?”
Robert – Yes, let’s do that.
(Lord, help us today to have kind and gracious words with each other. Help us to grow in our understanding of your word and cause us to love each other as you have loved us. In Jesus name. Amen!)
Nick – Robert, many believe that God chose people for salvation based on his foreknowledge of their accepting him. What do you think about that idea?
Robert – As a Calvinist, I reject that idea. God’s election of peole for salvation is unconditional. It is not based on anything that God foresees in us – any innate goodness (which is not possible) or even any foreseen faith. It is 100% unconditional.
Nick – So, if God’s election of us is unconditional, on what basis does he choose one over the other?
Robert – No one knows. It is a mystery of the divine will.
Nick – Many have accused Calvinist theology of presenting God as arbitrary. He chooses one. He bypasses another.
Robert – No, it is not arbitrary.
Nick – But how do you know it is not arbitrary? If the basis of God’s choice is unknown, isn’t it possible that there could be no basis at all and that the choice, after all, is arbitrary. Maybe God is flipping some kind of celestial coin – “heads you’re in and tails you’re out.”
Robert – We can say with assurance that that is not the case. God is not arbitrary.
Nick – But if the basis for God’s election is unknown, how do you know that it is not arbitrary?
Robert – We know that it is not arbitrary because of what we know of God from his word. God’s election would not be arbitrary because we know that God is not arbitrary. He is consistent in his character. He is perfectly just, and he is perfectly love. Flipping a celestial coin would not present a picture of God as he reveals himself in his word.
Nick – Well stated and thank you for that. I agree with you that God would not act in such a way. Now, just to reiterate, what you are doing is qualifying the unknown based on what we do know about God in his word, correct?
Robert – Yes, that’s right.
Nick – We non-reformed believers say the same thing. We accept some doctrines and reject others based on what we know of God’s character as revealed in his word. With this in mind, we don’t believe God elects unconditionally because of what we know of his character. A perfectly loving God would not bypass people for salvation if he knew he could save them. That would not be the loving thing to do. Nor would it be the just thing to do – to be able to save them, to offer them salvation but refuse to do what is necessary to save them. He would be offering something that he doesn’t really intend on giving them. That would not be righteous. Those scenarios do not cohere with what we all know about God who has revealed himself to us in his word. That is why we do not believe that election is unconditional, and that is why we do not have to resort to “Well, it’s a mystery,” when presented with the conundrum of why God elects one and not the other to salvation based solely on his will.
Question – what does Reformed Robert say at this point? See less