05/27/2026
EVIDENCE WHY the 144000 REP the ENTIRE CHURCH who are THE ARMY OF Jesus and INNUMERABLE REDEEMED FROM ALL NATIONS
Wayne: Kweku Martin brother, fair enough. Let me state your position more precisely.
You are saying the 144,000 are the fullness of the army of Israel, which represents the fullness of NC Israel under one leader, Jesus, and that this one flock includes the redeemed from all nations.
But that is still the point needing proof from Revelation.
Revelation 7 calls the 144,000 sealed servants from the tribes of Israel.
Then it separately shows a great multitude from all nations.
Revelation 14 calls the 144,000 firstfruits, not fullness.
And Revelation does not call the 144,000 the army of Israel.
So I am not trying to misrepresent you.
I am asking where Revelation itself makes that identification.
Martin : .
1. The idea that 2 images in the book of Revelation cannot speak of the same thing/ person with multiple identities, is not true. Eg In Rev 5 John hears of a LION but He sees A LAMB. These are identities of the SAME Jesus. And thus even based on that formula, the hearing and seeing of Rev 7:1-8 ( 144000) and , 9-17, ( innumerable seed), makes it all the more likely that we are dealing with the same people. For afterall, the sons of Israel are also the innumerable seed of Abraham . And since the innumerable seed are also the 12 tribes, it all the more makes that connection plausible . And to say the 144000 have nothing to do with the innumerable seed of Abraham from all nations, will be saying the 144000 who are the sons of Israel are not even a part of the seed of Abraham. This position is untenable and undermines every biblical strand of the relationship between the sons of Israel and the seed of Abraham.
2nd. you seem to think firstfruits always implies there is more of the same kind to follow. No my brother, in the OT the firsfruits was also the offering which belonged to God as HIS HOLY PORTION. Thus it was the firstfruits of God ie that belonging to God . ( his portion). For this reason in Jer 2:3, Israel were said to be the 1st fruits of God among all the people of the earth. This showed their election and identity as the sons of God who are His holy people in all the earth. For this same reason in James 1:18, the sons of God begotten of God , are said to be the 1st fruits of the earth. These are all beleivers identified as the 12 tribes in James 1:1-2 . aka the dispersed and exiles who are waiting for their inheritance from heaven in 1 Peter 1:1-4,. This shows they are not dispersed in a natural sense as Jews , else their redemption will be about bringing them to canaan which is the inheritance according to the OT . Further in 1 Peter 1:1-2, the same dispersion includes those in Galatia whom paul in. GALATIANS identify as Gentiles . Thus even in James 1 the churches of Christ that were largely gentiles and some Jews, are those said to be the firstfruits of the earth, called the dispersed and 12 tribes, showing they are those in the NATIONS as spiritual exiles who are God's true Israel.
3. The 144000 being the NUMBERED SONS OF ISRAEL from the 12 tribes, who are ONLY MEN, and those said to keep themselves from women, shows they are God's holy army among whom He dwells. ( Deut 23:5-6, Lev 15:16-18,32). This according to the OT were the ARMIES of the 12 tribes who were their numbered sons, who were only men and who kept themselves from women inorder because they are Gods holy army among whom he dwell. For this reason, David's men who followed him are said to be holy because they kept themselves from women. ( 1 Sam 16) . The same is why Uriah the soldiet refused to go be with his wife in the time of war ( 2 Sam ).
4. All of them following Jesus the lamb shows they are the army of Jesus who is their one leader and captain . Thus they are the numbered holy Army of the 12 tribes of Israel who are the followers of Jesus also called David in Ezek 34,37. aka David's men
5. In Numbers, the ARMIES of the 12 tribes represent the ENTIRE ISRAEL who are the ARMY OF GOd and Sons of God aka the firstborn sons ie firstfruits, made up of all their men, women, children and the aliens among them ( Ex 4:22-23,12:41, 36-38, 13 :11-18) . This means the Israel they represent are the army of God whose leader is Jesus
6. In the OT ( Num 1,2) the size of numbered army of a tribe also represented the size of the tribe made up of all their families . This is why the portion for each tribe was according to the size of its numbered army Num 26:48-56
7. According to Ezek 34,36, 37,47 the ONE FLOCK of Israel of the LAST DAYS, will be those redeemed from all the Nations united one Israel ( 12 tribes united) with one shepherd king / leader who is Jesus the branch of David aka David the servant ( Messiah, Jer 23:1-8, Ezek 34:19-25). These also are the EXCEEDING GREAT ARMY OF GOD all of whom have the spirit, and which include gentiles as Isa 14:1-5, Zech 2:1-11, says. They also are the Israel where all the 12 tribes including the gentiles among them, will receive the same size of the inheritance unlike in the OT under Joshua. Ezek 47:1-5, 21-23 . Since all tribes receive the same inheritance, it means the size of all tribes as determined by their armies are also Equal. This means the 12 armies of the NC Israel all have the same number of men who represent the NC Israel as the Army of Jesus, all of whom have the spirit, and thus are the sons and daughters of God redeemed from all nations ( Isa 43:1-5, Ezek 36). Also in Jer 23:3-5, the redeemed from all Nations who are the one flock are also the REMNANT OF ISRAEL from all Nations. Therefore, by this the NC Israel who are the one flock being the great exceeding army of the equal tribes of Israel led by Christ , will be REPRESENTED by the armies of the 12 tribes which are equal in size , and all of whom follow Jesus as their one leader.
8. Further, in Psalm 149, the congregation ( church) of Israel who are ALL THE GODLY ONES OF GOD ( v 9) are those that will sing the new song with harps, which very thing was the identity of the Levitical priests. ( 2 Chron 5:12- 13). They also are those who will judge the nations. And thus having 2 edged swords , it shows they are warriors ie an army. . Therefore by this Israel ,consisting of ALL those who are godly, will be the ARMY of GOD who are priests that will also execute Judgment upon the nations.
9. The remnant of Israel from all nations who are those that are humble , lowly, and trust in God , are those who will stand on MT Zion . Zeph 3:11-13, Obad 1:17, 20-21 . They are those in whose mouth there is no lie and the flock of God who dwell in safety without fearThis shows they are the redeeemed flock of christ from ALL NATIONS in Ezek 34,,36 They also consist of both Jew and gentile as Obad 1 says. They also are those who standing on MT Zion will Judge The mountain of Esau who are their enemies. They also are whoever call on the name of the Lord for salvation and hence are those who will be saved from the wrath of God on the great day as Joel 2:, 28-32 Obad 1:15-17 says.
10. . Also Gen 49 :1, 16-18 show in the last days Israel, Dan will not be apart of the tribes since he will be the horned serpent who is satan and his seed who oppose Christ and his seed who are the sons of God ( seed of the woman) as those on horses who also await the salvation of God. . Rev 19:11-21, Rev 13:1-6, Isa 27:1-2 . This is why he is replaced by Levi the priest showing also, priesthood and army are united together unlike in the OC Israel. ( Num 1,2). . This shows Rev 7 list is Last days Israel aka NC Israel
11. Rev 7:1-8, 14:1-5 show the numbered sons of the 12 tribes are those with God's name and that of Christ who also do not defile themselves with women. They also sing the new song with harps as those on mt zion in whose mouth there is no lie, who follow the lamb. They are the firstfruits ( firstborn ones) , and the redeemed of the earth. This shows being the equally numbered armies of of Israel, they represent the fullness of the NC Israel who are those that have the same size in all tribes. Further, as the fruits with God and christ seal who follow one leader, it means they represent the fullness of the NC Israel who as those that are the sons of God and Christ, who follow Jesus, have the holy spirit as their seal , and are redeemed from all nations as the one flock who have Jesus as their one leader, and those who are the great exceeding army of Jesus and God.
12.As those who sing the new song with harps on Mt Zion it shows they are Israel made up of all the godly ones ( chrisrians), that will also judge the world as those who are also are priests seen by their singing the new song with harps. This indicates the armies of the 12 tribes ,represent all the remnant or Israel who are redeemed from the nations and brought into the eternal kingdom which is MT Zion . These having the same number of sons in each tribes army show its the rep of the NC Israel made up of jews and gentiles who have the same size of tribes, and will inherit the everlasting inheritance. Being those with the seal of God and christ which is the holy spirit and called firsfruits mean they are the holy sons of God and christ who are the NC Israel.
13. In Rev 19:11-15, the army of Jesus is identified the church who are the innumerable redeemed from all nations according to Rev 5:8-10. They are the holy priesthood in white clean fine linen as Ex 29, and Rev 1:6, says and the bride of the lamb ( Rev 19:7-9) which is also the NC Israel in Isa 61, 62, Isa 49 ,aka the fruitful barren woman in Isa 54, Gal 4:23-31, . They also are the one flock amd sheep of Christ who follow Him as John 10:16, 29, says . They are those who come to bring the judgment of the nations as his army. Showing they are the congregation of Israel who are all believere that will judge the world in Psalm 149, 1 Cor 6:1-4. These are also the innumerable redeemed seed that will dwell forever in the inheritance as the seed of Abraham from all nations, who will be priest forever and will be comforted Rev 7:9-17. Thus they are the seed of Abraham aka the remnant of Israel who are the heirs of promise aka the olive tree and church .
13 Therefore, since the 1440000 army of Israel rep the NC Israel as the great exceeding army of God with the spirit,who are also those that will judge the world and will be saved from all the earth to dwell in MT Zion which is the inheritance, they are one and the same as the innumerable in Rev 7:9-17, who all the seed of Abraham in the inheritance which where God will comfort them wiping all tears from their eyes as Rev 21:1-5 also says
14. Further the church who are the redeemed from all nations are those who will rule as kings over the NHNE./ NJ. In Rev 22:5, the servants of God/ Jesus who see his Face in the city are those who have his name on them, and these are they who will rule as kinfs over the earth. Meaning the 144000 who are the rep of all Israel as the reddemed seed and bondservants of Jesus from all Nations that have his name and Gods name = the redeemed Church who are kings of the earth that will reign over the earth