They have unsurped srila prabhupadas iskocn society as bogus guru businessmen in dresss of vaishnava and they must be exposed for their misleading godlessness. Wake up to these frauds now before they destroy your spirritual life. Regarding initiations Satsvarupa Maharaja asked Srila Prabhupada: “Our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer w
ith us. We want to know how first and second initiations would be conducted.” Srila Prabhupada answered: “Yes; I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acharyas.” Tamal K.G.: “Is that called ritvik-acharya?” Srila Prabhupada replied: “Ritvik yes.” Satsvarupa: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and the… Prabhupada: He’s guru. Satsvarupa: But he does it on your behalf. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf, on my order… Amara ajnaya guru haia. Be actually guru, but by my order. Satsvarupa: So they may also be considered your disciples. Prabhupada: Yes, they are disciples. Who? Tamala Krsna: No, he’s asking that these ritvik-acaryas, they’re officiating, giving diksa. Their… The people who they give diksa to, whose disciple are they? Prabhupada: They’re his disciple. Tamala Krsna: They’re his disciple. Prabhupada: Who is initiating. He is grand disciple. Satsvarupa: Yes. Tamala Krsna: That’s clear. Satsvarupa: Then we have a question concer… Prabhupada: When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it. This tape has been proven to have been doctored, but the fact remains that Srila Prabhupada says, “On my order” and “But by my order” and “When I order. ‘You become guru’.” The only order given so far was to be officiating or ritvik representatives of the acharya. This will be clarified in the next conversations and the July 9th 1977 Newsletter to all GBC’s and temple presidents
